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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 5, 2010 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

Does it seem possible that he is perhaps just pulling our legs? How can one tell?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 5, 2010 2:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

Well, a bit there...but, do your homework (meant in a nice way, Dan...you too, HF).

I for one was crestfallen when I learned that they practiced the SHIT out of the Eleven, and even fired Bob and PP for lack of effort (fall, 68)...seriously. Just think of how consistently they played any number of tunes, night in and night out.

The fact is, it's a myth that is was diff every night in a significant way...it was diff in an important way, BUT not the over-riding issue in my opinion.

I used to tout them as the improvisional band extradoinaire (sp?), and it just wasn't necessarily so...

But, yeah, if it got you thinking, my work is done here.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 5, 2010 10:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

got me thinking what if they had kept bob fired?

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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 5, 2010 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

Your work here will never be done my friend!
I feel pretty spoiled in that I took the opportunity (and risk) to go on the road with the boys as much as I did. When on tour, it was the difference of every night that really made it special. I know – however poorly those performances I witnessed stand up today – it is besides the point for me, and I would guess for many – being there with Jerry Garcia et al as they were in those moments was great and exciting. I surely don’t mean to imply or point to any dividing issues here – I’m not sure what the issues even are, but I know that the improvisational power of the Grateful Dead was no myth :)

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 5, 2010 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

Fall of 68 required less improvisation than 72-74. The sets were very similar night-to-night, more like a traditional "album tour". Hence, they could rehearse and would actually improve by simply playing the same shit each night.

After 1971, this is not the case. Hell, in 1973-74 they play such a huge range of music each night that I can't imagine them rehearsing specific passages and expecting to remember on the fly.

I think we all know the parts of DS, Playin', Eyes and Bird Song where the music goes from planned to not-planned. Even tunes like Shakedown have section in the middle which allows the band to stretch their limbs. Those are my favorite parts.

So I say, poppycock Tell!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 5, 2010 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

Well, now you are treading on my tour dates my good friend, and I can tell you, night to night, the Oct run of 78 of Winterland fame that our fellow forumite Grendel (hey!? where's he in all this?) was basically the same shit each night...you can even check the ones here to verify, but my sister kept the set lists and we compared and contrasted, and even felt the songs were same each night Jul 76 run at the Orpheum.

Now, is this to say a jam here, or a segue there wasn't exciting, and different, and as MS noted, a "new" exploration? Absolutely agree with you and the others here...

But, let me tell you, the boys (well, my two brothers that is), that saw CREAM in their prime at Winterland and elsewhere in 68 always felt that their jams were more improvised than the DEAD (listening to them now, I am not sure they were right about that, but you get the point).

I am just trying to bring the myth down a notch for just how willy nilly all over the place our boys are reputed to have been...from 74 thru 82 I saw a band that practiced a great deal in the studio, came out and wowed us with that, went back in, did it again, and wowed us some more...I did NOT see Dave Brubeck or Oscar Peterson come out, take off on some note(s), and just let fly with something I'd never heard before...does that make sense?

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 5, 2010 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

It makes perfect sense. Each GD song had a sketched outline, but they always left room to add life and color.

The GD fall somewhere in between true-improv artists and bands like Phish, which played huge arrangements that seemed un-rehearse-able, but were actually rehearsed obsessively.



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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 5, 2010 4:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

Agreed...yeah, I was going a bit over the line there, but more to make a point than anything...I really felt I missed what would've been closer to the "myth" if I'd been there in late 67 or early 68...?

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Poster: groovernut Date: Mar 5, 2010 10:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

Well every bit helped, and practicing was good for them. However to assume that that meant they where not improving is wrong minded. Maybe they where practicing how to improvise? Or maybe they need to know the song before they could improvise?

Wish they would have "practiced" more in the later days....

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Poster: ducats Date: Jan 18, 2013 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

from 78 on it was the same shit over and over and over....and i went back over a hundred times!

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 5, 2010 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

Yup